https://woozalia.com/mw/index.php?title=How_to_Argue_with_a_Liberal&feed=atom&action=historyHow to Argue with a Liberal - Revision history2024-03-28T16:27:57ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.0https://woozalia.com/mw/index.php?title=How_to_Argue_with_a_Liberal&diff=7566&oldid=prevWoozle: I was giving denialists way too much credit for honesty. Denialism crap removed. (It's all available via the talk page, for the record.)2017-11-15T01:50:51Z<p>I was giving denialists way too much credit for honesty. Denialism crap removed. (It's all available via the talk page, for the record.)</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''strength''', as such, is a perplexing concept to a liberal; instead of ''respecting'' the need for strong leaders, they see anyone stronger or better than themselves as a threat, highlighting their own inferiority. They want a world where, as a well-known liberal radio personality once solemnly declaimed, "all the children are above-average", uniformly arrayed in their mediocrity. You need to point out the "strength" of government in the ways that it really matters. Liberals actually believe that Big Brother is George Bush listening in to our cell phone calls, instead of Child Protective Services taking your kids away on suspicion alone. They don't understand the founding principles of this country, since they are no longer taught in public schools, but you can try to quote Washington to them. "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." If they look confused just get out a dollar bill and explain that these people founded the greatest country in the history of the planet. Tell them power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, that that won't ever change and so government is not the answer and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it's </del>"strength" to tax our industry and run our lives must be curtailed or there is no freedom. They love freedom, as a concept anyway. Keep hammering that "strength" of the government reduces the power of the people and their freedom. Illustrate this fact with the African American community, who has the most government intervention in their lives and pays the highest price for it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''strength''', as such, is a perplexing concept to a liberal; instead of ''respecting'' the need for strong leaders, they see anyone stronger or better than themselves as a threat, highlighting their own inferiority. They want a world where, as a well-known liberal radio personality once solemnly declaimed, "all the children are above-average", uniformly arrayed in their mediocrity. You need to point out the "strength" of government in the ways that it really matters. Liberals actually believe that Big Brother is George Bush listening in to our cell phone calls, instead of Child Protective Services taking your kids away on suspicion alone. They don't understand the founding principles of this country, since they are no longer taught in public schools, but you can try to quote Washington to them. "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." If they look confused just get out a dollar bill and explain that these people founded the greatest country in the history of the planet. Tell them power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, that that won't ever change and so government is not the answer and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">its </ins>"strength" to tax our industry and run our lives must be curtailed or there is no freedom. They love freedom, as a concept anyway. Keep hammering that "strength" of the government reduces the power of the people and their freedom. Illustrate this fact with the African American community, who has the most government intervention in their lives and pays the highest price for it.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Woozlehttps://woozalia.com/mw/index.php?title=How_to_Argue_with_a_Liberal&diff=495&oldid=prevWoozle: Reverted edits by CherryBlake (talk) to last revision by Woozle2012-02-02T23:08:15Z<p>Reverted edits by <a href="/mw/Special:Contributions/CherryBlake" title="Special:Contributions/CherryBlake">CherryBlake</a> (<a href="/mw/index.php?title=User_talk:CherryBlake&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:CherryBlake (page does not exist)">talk</a>) to last revision by <a href="/mw/User:Woozle" title="User:Woozle">Woozle</a></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fortunately, you can turn this to your advantage. What you have to do can be somewhat humiliating, but I am afraid it is the only way: you must &ndash; temporarily, of course &ndash; lower yourself to their level, go down among them, and behave as they behave. Only then will they accord you peer status, allow you provisional membership in their in-group, and accord you anything approaching the dignity of civil discourse with them<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. Essayslab.com has been working in the essay writing industry for a while. Recently I have chosen them to [http://essayslab.com write my paper]. And you know what? They coped with this task very well, although it was not the easiest one. Usually I write my paper on my own, but that time I was in need of professional assistance. So this post is kind of �thank you�</del>. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Fortunately, you can turn this to your advantage. What you have to do can be somewhat humiliating, but I am afraid it is the only way: you must &ndash; temporarily, of course &ndash; lower yourself to their level, go down among them, and behave as they behave. Only then will they accord you peer status, allow you provisional membership in their in-group, and accord you anything approaching the dignity of civil discourse with them. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''note: this section <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">was </del>inserted by an anonymous contributor; it <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">will probably need further tweaking</del>:''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''note: this <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">paragraph is a rewrite of a </ins>section inserted by an anonymous contributor; <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">not yet sure if </ins>it <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">flows with the rest of the piece</ins>:''</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">liberal </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a value-positing individual. Facts for us don't stand </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the way of the Lord</del>'s <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">work, and facts for </del>them <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">do not stand in the way of social justice and environmentalism. If </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Mann hockey stick relies on 25 out of 95 data proxies and then those end up coming from only TWO LOCATIONS on earth....who cares? Global warming is still true. Satellite </del>data shows <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a cooling earth for 7 years? No problem - </del>they<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'ll simply </del>change <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">banners to </del>"climate change"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. You see? When arguing with </del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">liberal you can't use facts because just like Heidegger said, the time for decisions is over!</p></del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ever try to talk facts to a liberal when the subject </ins>is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">global warming? Never mind that </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">best conservative authorities have shown that their data </ins>is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">all fudged from the same broken thermometer stuck </ins>in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">some prof</ins>'s <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">window at Berkeley; if you show </ins>them the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">real </ins>data <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which </ins>shows <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that we're actually going into an ice age, </ins>they <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">just </ins>change <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">terminology and start babbling about </ins>"climate change"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">! As if </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">global ice age presented some kind of "problem" we needed </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">spend vast amounts of our tax dollars </ins>to "<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">solve</ins>", <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">when all it really </ins>means <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">is lower cooling bills </ins>in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">summer </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">easier storage for deer meat after </ins>a <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">good hunt</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When arguing </ins>with <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a liberal</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">there</ins>'s <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">just no </ins>point <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in bringing up these </ins>facts <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because</ins>, as the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">notorious Nazi sympathizer Heidegger liked </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">say</ins>, the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">time for decisions </ins>is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">over!</ins></p></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><p>You will want </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">make sure </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">tread carefully on racial issues, as any facts that counter their groupthink dogma will earn you the ubiquitous </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">racist</del>" <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">label. Liberals</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">like psychologists, are the sworn enemies of guilt. This </del>means <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that cultural differences cannot be responsible for the underachievement of minorities. For instance, a 70% illegitimacy rate </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">our African American community cannot, to the liberal mind, make any difference in their economic achievement. The best thing to do is to point out that a certain segment of </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">white population ALSO has a 70% illegitimacy rate, </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">suffers the same "discrimination" as evidenced by their similar poverty. The important thing is not to mention "trailer park" and use a phrase like "</del>a <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">discriminatory suppression of mobile dwelling inhabitants"</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> Liberals love flowery words and they will likely begin to purse their lips and nod in agreement.</p></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><p>Liberals love to agree </del>with <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">seemingly intelligent conclusions</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">without ever considering the completeness of their data. That</del>'s <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">why it's often useful to say "I thought the very same thing until I found out...". They will seem puzzled, then regurgitate a value-driven mantra, at which </del>point <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">you switch to the Socratic method to deflect their anger. Anger and indignation are the signs of self doubt, and the knife a liberal will always pull from their boot to cut your throat. Anger and ad hominem attacks are their staple, so asking questions at the tipping point is better than additional </del>facts, as <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they've stopped listening anyway. Remember, you're shattering their world; </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">groupthink they picked up in college has been a warm blanket and you're trying </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">help them achieve actual thought. This is disconcerting for them</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">as they have been rigorously shielded from </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">eternal questions and their soul </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">slack. Try to be nice.</del></p></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If you are truly determined to try to pound some understanding into a liberal's head, then, the only apparent means at this point is to go to all the tedious trouble of finding some so-called "objective data" &ndash; only with these credentials attached does the carefully shuttered liberal mind allow new ideas to enter. This may seem like reinventing the wheel, as obviously the authority you cited earlier has already ''done'' the research, found the facts, and evaluated them using the full benefit of his experience and education, in a manner that is obviously far superior to any analysis or understanding by unqualified individuals; it is simply an unfortunate and unpleasant fact of the liberal mentality that he needs the crutch of believing that the truth you are trying to convey has been somehow anointed by having so-called "supporting evidence" attached to it. Without this ritual of purification, he simply won't listen. It doesn't matter if you are quoting the President himself; he has an obsessive need to question, and &ndash; like a dog which must circle three times before lying down &ndash; he cannot rest until that obsession has been satisfied.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If you are truly determined to try to pound some understanding into a liberal's head, then, the only apparent means at this point is to go to all the tedious trouble of finding some so-called "objective data" &ndash; only with these credentials attached does the carefully shuttered liberal mind allow new ideas to enter. This may seem like reinventing the wheel, as obviously the authority you cited earlier has already ''done'' the research, found the facts, and evaluated them using the full benefit of his experience and education, in a manner that is obviously far superior to any analysis or understanding by unqualified individuals; it is simply an unfortunate and unpleasant fact of the liberal mentality that he needs the crutch of believing that the truth you are trying to convey has been somehow anointed by having so-called "supporting evidence" attached to it. Without this ritual of purification, he simply won't listen. It doesn't matter if you are quoting the President himself; he has an obsessive need to question, and &ndash; like a dog which must circle three times before lying down &ndash; he cannot rest until that obsession has been satisfied.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''tradition''' is more difficult; often the best you can do is explain it as a sort of "scientific experiment" (another magical incantation known to turn locks in the liberal mind) supported by thousands of years of "data". This can be a double-edged sword, however, as liberals will use some "scientific" mumbo-jumbo about "controls" and "eliminating bias" to claim that a tradition, rather than proving its rightness through the survival of its followers against the pitfalls of temptation and adversity, proves somehow that we need "more data" &ndash; which is of course a liberal code-phrase for breaking tradition and relaxing social standards. The best course of action is to point out the failures of destroying traditions without a suitable substitute in place. Liberals usually want to throw out tradition in the name of "equality", so you'll need to tread carefully here. When in doubt, use the children. Point out the effect of the libertine message on children and its selfish outcomes: teen sex, teen violence, etc. Liberals really do love children; they're just ignorant of how they're trampled by the promotion of Thug living and promiscuity. You can also dig out some nice hard data gathered during the AIDS epidemic to show homosexual promiscuity. That REALLY makes their eyes bulge, especially when the researchers are gay! Follow it up with a "nowadays, most of them lie to researchers to further political aims" and you may cause them to blow a gasket.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''tradition''' is more difficult; often the best you can do is explain it as a sort of "scientific experiment" (another magical incantation known to turn locks in the liberal mind) supported by thousands of years of "data". This can be a double-edged sword, however, as liberals will use some "scientific" mumbo-jumbo about "controls" and "eliminating bias" to claim that a tradition, rather than proving its rightness through the survival of its followers against the pitfalls of temptation and adversity, proves somehow that we need "more data" &ndash; which is of course a liberal code-phrase for breaking tradition and relaxing social standards. The best course of action is to point out the failures of destroying traditions without a suitable substitute in place. Liberals usually want to throw out tradition in the name of "equality", so you'll need to tread carefully here. When in doubt, use the children. Point out the effect of the libertine message on children and its selfish outcomes: teen sex, teen violence, etc. Liberals really do love children; they're just ignorant of how they're trampled by the promotion of Thug living and promiscuity. You can also dig out some nice hard data gathered during the AIDS epidemic to show homosexual promiscuity. That REALLY makes their eyes bulge, especially when the researchers are gay! Follow it up with a "nowadays, most of them lie to researchers to further political aims" and you may cause them to blow a gasket.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Woozlehttps://woozalia.com/mw/index.php?title=How_to_Argue_with_a_Liberal&diff=175&oldid=prevWoozle: annotation of addition for review2008-12-17T22:41:31Z<p>annotation of addition for review</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''tradition''' is more difficult; often the best you can do is explain it as a sort of "scientific experiment" (another magical incantation known to turn locks in the liberal mind) supported by thousands of years of "data". This can be a double-edged sword, however, as liberals will use some "scientific" mumbo-jumbo about "controls" and "eliminating bias" to claim that a tradition, rather than proving its rightness through the survival of its followers against the pitfalls of temptation and adversity, proves somehow that we need "more data" &ndash; which is of course a liberal code-phrase for breaking tradition and relaxing social standards. The best course of action is to point out the failures of destroying traditions without a suitable substitute in place. Liberals usually want to throw out tradition in the name of "equality", so you'll need to tread carefully here. When in doubt, use the children. Point out the effect of the libertine message on children and its selfish outcomes: teen sex, teen violence, etc. Liberals really do love children; they're just ignorant of how they're trampled by the promotion of Thug living and promiscuity. You can also dig out some nice hard data gathered during the AIDS epidemic to show homosexual promiscuity. That REALLY makes their eyes bulge, especially when the researchers are gay! Follow it up with a "nowadays, most of them lie to researchers to further political aims" and you may cause them to blow a gasket.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''tradition''' is more difficult; often the best you can do is explain it as a sort of "scientific experiment" (another magical incantation known to turn locks in the liberal mind) supported by thousands of years of "data". This can be a double-edged sword, however, as liberals will use some "scientific" mumbo-jumbo about "controls" and "eliminating bias" to claim that a tradition, rather than proving its rightness through the survival of its followers against the pitfalls of temptation and adversity, proves somehow that we need "more data" &ndash; which is of course a liberal code-phrase for breaking tradition and relaxing social standards. The best course of action is to point out the failures of destroying traditions without a suitable substitute in place. Liberals usually want to throw out tradition in the name of "equality", so you'll need to tread carefully here. When in doubt, use the children. Point out the effect of the libertine message on children and its selfish outcomes: teen sex, teen violence, etc. Liberals really do love children; they're just ignorant of how they're trampled by the promotion of Thug living and promiscuity. You can also dig out some nice hard data gathered during the AIDS epidemic to show homosexual promiscuity. That REALLY makes their eyes bulge, especially when the researchers are gay! Follow it up with a "nowadays, most of them lie to researchers to further political aims" and you may cause them to blow a gasket.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Liberals, of course, being not the most mentally agile athletes in the gymnasium, may object to even this plain and simple truth; lacking something of a sense of the abstract, and above all lacking in ''trust'' and ''faith'', they must actually see concrete proof of all qualifications. As if ''that'' wasn't enough, they will often ''pick apart'' those hard-earned qualifications, feasting greedily upon any inconsistencies they may find, until there is seemingly nothing left. While this sort of behavior can be very difficult to tolerate, it can ultimately pay off when you find the "right" authority whose qualifications the liberals, for reasons we may never understand, choose to accept.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Liberals, of course, being not the most mentally agile athletes in the gymnasium, may object to even this plain and simple truth; lacking something of a sense of the abstract, and above all lacking in ''trust'' and ''faith'', they must actually see concrete proof of all qualifications. As if ''that'' wasn't enough, they will often ''pick apart'' those hard-earned qualifications, feasting greedily upon any inconsistencies they may find, until there is seemingly nothing left. While this sort of behavior can be very difficult to tolerate, it can ultimately pay off when you find the "right" authority whose qualifications the liberals, for reasons we may never understand, choose to accept<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. Quite often the "right" authority figure is merely one with the "right" credentials. For instance Al Gore may not know much about science, but because his message meets the standard of calling attention to environmentalism it will be swallowed faster than manchowder at a drunken sorority. If you point out that water vapor is responsible for 95% of the greenhouse effect and that CO2 is less than 4 parts in 10,000 of our atmosphere, they will not care; Al Gore has spoken. Mankind responsible for only 3% of the .36% of the CO2? Doesn't matter! Al Gore said it and Obama said the science has been decided</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''tradition''' is more difficult; often the best you can do is explain it as a sort of "scientific experiment" (another magical incantation known to turn locks in the liberal mind) supported by thousands of years of "data". This can be a double-edged sword, however, as liberals will use some "scientific" mumbo-jumbo about "controls" and "eliminating bias" to claim that a tradition, rather than proving its rightness through the survival of its followers against the pitfalls of temptation and adversity, proves somehow that we need "more data" &ndash; which is of course a liberal code-phrase for breaking tradition and relaxing social standards.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''tradition''' is more difficult; often the best you can do is explain it as a sort of "scientific experiment" (another magical incantation known to turn locks in the liberal mind) supported by thousands of years of "data". This can be a double-edged sword, however, as liberals will use some "scientific" mumbo-jumbo about "controls" and "eliminating bias" to claim that a tradition, rather than proving its rightness through the survival of its followers against the pitfalls of temptation and adversity, proves somehow that we need "more data" &ndash; which is of course a liberal code-phrase for breaking tradition and relaxing social standards<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. The best course of action is to point out the failures of destroying traditions without a suitable substitute in place. Liberals usually want to throw out tradition in the name of "equality", so you'll need to tread carefully here. When in doubt, use the children. Point out the effect of the libertine message on children and its selfish outcomes: teen sex, teen violence, etc. Liberals really do love children; they're just ignorant of how they're trampled by the promotion of Thug living and promiscuity. You can also dig out some nice hard data gathered during the AIDS epidemic to show homosexual promiscuity. That REALLY makes their eyes bulge, especially when the researchers are gay! Follow it up with a "nowadays, most of them lie to researchers to further political aims" and you may cause them to blow a gasket</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''strength''', as such, is a perplexing concept to a liberal; instead of ''respecting'' the need for strong leaders, they see anyone stronger or better than themselves as a threat, highlighting their own inferiority. They want a world where, as a well-known liberal radio personality once solemnly declaimed, "all the children are above-average", uniformly arrayed in their mediocrity.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* '''strength''', as such, is a perplexing concept to a liberal; instead of ''respecting'' the need for strong leaders, they see anyone stronger or better than themselves as a threat, highlighting their own inferiority. They want a world where, as a well-known liberal radio personality once solemnly declaimed, "all the children are above-average", uniformly arrayed in their mediocrity<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. You need to point out the "strength" of government in the ways that it really matters. Liberals actually believe that Big Brother is George Bush listening in to our cell phone calls, instead of Child Protective Services taking your kids away on suspicion alone. They don't understand the founding principles of this country, since they are no longer taught in public schools, but you can try to quote Washington to them. "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." If they look confused just get out a dollar bill and explain that these people founded the greatest country in the history of the planet. Tell them power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, that that won't ever change and so government is not the answer and it's "strength" to tax our industry and run our lives must be curtailed or there is no freedom. They love freedom, as a concept anyway. Keep hammering that "strength" of the government reduces the power of the people and their freedom. Illustrate this fact with the African American community, who has the most government intervention in their lives and pays the highest price for it</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Possibly the only way to convey the value of strength to a liberal is to ask them: What would happen if we had no strong farmers, to operate the machines which work our nation's great industrial farming complexes? What would happen if we had no strong auto mechanics, capable of winching the heavy engines and wrenching tight the bolts of the automobiles and trucks upon which we depend for our daily lives? And what, more to the point, would happen if we had no strong leaders to command the soldiers holding back the wolf at our gate, whether that gate is here or in some far-off country? I'm sure the liberal response to those points will be at least entertaining.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Possibly the only way to convey the value of strength to a liberal is to ask them: What would happen if we had no strong farmers, to operate the machines which work our nation's great industrial farming complexes? What would happen if we had no strong auto mechanics, capable of winching the heavy engines and wrenching tight the bolts of the automobiles and trucks upon which we depend for our daily lives? And what, more to the point, would happen if we had no strong leaders to command the soldiers holding back the wolf at our gate, whether that gate is here or in some far-off country? I'm sure the liberal response to those points will be at least entertaining.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>These are just a few examples of fundamental principles of our society which liberals apparently were not taught (or declined to learn) in grade school. With a little imagination, and some suitable verbal contortions (and perhaps with the aid of appropriate pharmaceuticals) you may be able to re-imagine more such words in liberal terms, thus making it possible &ndash; with a great deal of difficulty, and the willingness to sacrifice one's dignity for a greater cause &ndash; for liberals to slowly and painfully acquire a better understanding of the world around them, which we can only hope may one day lead to a better world for all of us &ndash; in which authority, strength, and tradition are given proper respect, and liberals know their place.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>These are just a few examples of fundamental principles of our society which liberals apparently were not taught (or declined to learn) in grade school. With a little imagination, and some suitable verbal contortions (and perhaps with the aid of appropriate pharmaceuticals) you may be able to re-imagine more such words in liberal terms, thus making it possible &ndash; with a great deal of difficulty, and the willingness to sacrifice one's dignity for a greater cause &ndash; for liberals to slowly and painfully acquire a better understanding of the world around them, which we can only hope may one day lead to a better world for all of us &ndash; in which authority, strength, and tradition are given proper respect, and liberals know their place<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. Fascism won't come with brown shirts and jackboots; it will come with government enforcement of "good ideas". We can only hope that liberals will open their eyes to the menace of our leviathan government and stop feeding the tyranny of the majority</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is because the liberal is a value-positing individual. Facts for us don't stand in the way of the Lord's work, and facts for them do not stand in the way of social justice and environmentalism. If the Mann hockey stick relies on 25 out of 95 data proxies and then those end up coming from only TWO LOCATIONS on earth....who cares? Global warming is still true. Satellite data shows a cooling earth for 7 years? No problem - they'll simply change banners to "climate change". You see? When arguing with a liberal you can't use facts because just like Heidegger said, the time for decisions is over!</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''note: this section was inserted by an anonymous contributor; it will probably need further tweaking:''</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>You will want to make sure to tread carefully on racial issues, as any facts that counter their groupthink dogma will earn you the ubiquitous "racist" label. Liberals, like psychologists, are the sworn enemies of guilt. This means that cultural differences cannot be responsible for the underachievement of minorities. For instance, a 70% illegitimacy rate in our African American community cannot, to the liberal mind, make any difference in their economic achievement. The best thing to do is to point out that a certain segment of the white population ALSO has a 70% illegitimacy rate, and suffers the same "discrimination" as evidenced by their similar poverty. The important thing is not to mention "trailer park" and use a phrase like "a discriminatory suppression of mobile dwelling inhabitants". Liberals love flowery words and they will likely begin to purse their lips and nod in agreement.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><p></ins>This is because the liberal is a value-positing individual. Facts for us don't stand in the way of the Lord's work, and facts for them do not stand in the way of social justice and environmentalism. If the Mann hockey stick relies on 25 out of 95 data proxies and then those end up coming from only TWO LOCATIONS on earth....who cares? Global warming is still true. Satellite data shows a cooling earth for 7 years? No problem - they'll simply change banners to "climate change". You see? When arguing with a liberal you can't use facts because just like Heidegger said, the time for decisions is over!<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></p></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Liberals love to agree with seemingly intelligent conclusions, without ever considering the completeness of their data. That's why it's often useful to say "I thought the very same thing until I found out...". They will seem puzzled, then regurgitate a value-driven mantra, at which point you switch to the Socratic method to deflect their anger. Anger and indignation are the signs of self doubt, and the knife a liberal will always pull from their boot to cut your throat. Anger and ad hominem attacks are their staple, so asking questions at the tipping point is better than additional facts, as they've stopped listening anyway. Remember, you're shattering their world; the groupthink they picked up in college has been a warm blanket and you're trying to help them achieve actual thought. This is disconcerting for them, as they have been rigorously shielded from the eternal questions and their soul is slack. Try to be nice.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><p></ins>Liberals love to agree with seemingly intelligent conclusions, without ever considering the completeness of their data. That's why it's often useful to say "I thought the very same thing until I found out...". They will seem puzzled, then regurgitate a value-driven mantra, at which point you switch to the Socratic method to deflect their anger. Anger and indignation are the signs of self doubt, and the knife a liberal will always pull from their boot to cut your throat. Anger and ad hominem attacks are their staple, so asking questions at the tipping point is better than additional facts, as they've stopped listening anyway. Remember, you're shattering their world; the groupthink they picked up in college has been a warm blanket and you're trying to help them achieve actual thought. This is disconcerting for them, as they have been rigorously shielded from the eternal questions and their soul is slack. Try to be nice.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></p></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If you are truly determined to try to pound some understanding into a liberal's head, then, the only apparent means at this point is to go to all the tedious trouble of finding some so-called "objective data" &ndash; only with these credentials attached does the carefully shuttered liberal mind allow new ideas to enter. This may seem like reinventing the wheel, as obviously the authority you cited earlier has already ''done'' the research, found the facts, and evaluated them using the full benefit of his experience and education, in a manner that is obviously far superior to any analysis or understanding by unqualified individuals; it is simply an unfortunate and unpleasant fact of the liberal mentality that he needs the crutch of believing that the truth you are trying to convey has been somehow anointed by having so-called "supporting evidence" attached to it. Without this ritual of purification, he simply won't listen. It doesn't matter if you are quoting the President himself; he has an obsessive need to question, and &ndash; like a dog which must circle three times before lying down &ndash; he cannot rest until that obsession has been satisfied.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If you are truly determined to try to pound some understanding into a liberal's head, then, the only apparent means at this point is to go to all the tedious trouble of finding some so-called "objective data" &ndash; only with these credentials attached does the carefully shuttered liberal mind allow new ideas to enter. This may seem like reinventing the wheel, as obviously the authority you cited earlier has already ''done'' the research, found the facts, and evaluated them using the full benefit of his experience and education, in a manner that is obviously far superior to any analysis or understanding by unqualified individuals; it is simply an unfortunate and unpleasant fact of the liberal mentality that he needs the crutch of believing that the truth you are trying to convey has been somehow anointed by having so-called "supporting evidence" attached to it. Without this ritual of purification, he simply won't listen. It doesn't matter if you are quoting the President himself; he has an obsessive need to question, and &ndash; like a dog which must circle three times before lying down &ndash; he cannot rest until that obsession has been satisfied.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This is because the liberal is a value-positing individual. Facts for us don't stand in the way of the Lord's work, and facts for them do not stand in the way of social justice and environmentalism. If the Mann hockey stick relies on 25 out of 95 data proxies and then those end up coming from only TWO LOCATIONS on earth....who cares? Global warming is still true. Satellite data shows a cooling earth for 7 years? No problem - they'll simply change banners to "climate change". You see? When arguing with a liberal you can't use facts because just like Heidegger said, the time for decisions is over!</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">You will want to make sure to tread carefully on racial issues, as any facts that counter their groupthink dogma will earn you the ubiquitous "racist" label. Liberals, like psychologists, are the sworn enemies of guilt. This means that cultural differences cannot be responsible for the underachievement of minorities. For instance, a 70% illegitimacy rate in our African American community cannot, to the liberal mind, make any difference in their economic achievement. The best thing to do is to point out that a certain segment of the white population ALSO has a 70% illegitimacy rate, and suffers the same "discrimination" as evidenced by their similar poverty. The important thing is not to mention "trailer park" and use a phrase like "a discriminatory suppression of mobile dwelling inhabitants". Liberals love flowery words and they will likely begin to purse their lips and nod in agreement.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Liberals love to agree with seemingly intelligent conclusions, without ever considering the completeness of their data. That's why it's often useful to say "I thought the very same thing until I found out...". They will seem puzzled, then regurgitate a value-driven mantra, at which point you switch to the Socratic method to deflect their anger. Anger and indignation are the signs of self doubt, and the knife a liberal will always pull from their boot to cut your throat. Anger and ad hominem attacks are their staple, so asking questions at the tipping point is better than additional facts, as they've stopped listening anyway. Remember, you're shattering their world; the groupthink they picked up in college has been a warm blanket and you're trying to help them achieve actual thought. This is disconcerting for them, as they have been rigorously shielded from the eternal questions and their soul is slack. Try to be nice.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If you are truly determined to try to pound some understanding into a liberal's head, then, the only apparent means at this point is to go to all the tedious trouble of finding some so-called "objective data" &ndash; only with these credentials attached does the carefully shuttered liberal mind allow new ideas to enter. This may seem like reinventing the wheel, as obviously the authority you cited earlier has already ''done'' the research, found the facts, and evaluated them using the full benefit of his experience and education, in a manner that is obviously far superior to any analysis or understanding by unqualified individuals; it is simply an unfortunate and unpleasant fact of the liberal mentality that he needs the crutch of believing that the truth you are trying to convey has been somehow anointed by having so-called "supporting evidence" attached to it. Without this ritual of purification, he simply won't listen. It doesn't matter if you are quoting the President himself; he has an obsessive need to question, and &ndash; like a dog which must circle three times before lying down &ndash; he cannot rest until that obsession has been satisfied.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>If you are truly determined to try to pound some understanding into a liberal's head, then, the only apparent means at this point is to go to all the tedious trouble of finding some so-called "objective data" &ndash; only with these credentials attached does the carefully shuttered liberal mind allow new ideas to enter. This may seem like reinventing the wheel, as obviously the authority you cited earlier has already ''done'' the research, found the facts, and evaluated them using the full benefit of his experience and education, in a manner that is obviously far superior to any analysis or understanding by unqualified individuals; it is simply an unfortunate and unpleasant fact of the liberal mentality that he needs the crutch of believing that the truth you are trying to convey has been somehow anointed by having so-called "supporting evidence" attached to it. Without this ritual of purification, he simply won't listen. It doesn't matter if you are quoting the President himself; he has an obsessive need to question, and &ndash; like a dog which must circle three times before lying down &ndash; he cannot rest until that obsession has been satisfied.</div></td></tr>
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